Why does fandom hate Sam so much?

[isoughtyouout]

 I honestly just want to know why. There seems to be a lot of Sam hatred in the SPN community and I just don't get it. 

Was browing IMDB and this subject ended up coming up the below isn't my post but I found it interesting none the less: 


How is Dean and John asking, no telling Sam to stay any less selfish?

I'm exhausted arguing this. It's clear that you care more about Dean's wants and needs rather then about trying to understand the fact that Sam is a human being who also had wants and desires. A part of that was for him to go to school and to have a normal life. That is not selfish. That is normal to want things for yourself and for you to go out and get them. Mary isn't selfish for leaving her family and wanting a life with John. John isn't selfish for leaving his parents and wanting to start a life with Mary. And Sam isn't selfish for wanting his own space and wanting to find his own way. Dean isn't selfish for wanting to stay with Ben and Lisa, so on and so forth.

It's clear that many of Dean's fans wanted Sam to stay with Dean because Dean was lonely. Aparently that means more to them then Sam's growth as an individual and Sam's own need to be normal. I understand it because for most Dean fans the world starts and ends with him and they want him to be happy and anything that clashes with that is instantly antagonized and seen as a threat. They want Sam to be Dean's yes man, and they want Sam to do everything for Dean and live for Dean because to them that is what Sam would do if he truly loved Dean. Never mind the fact that this would make Sam unhappy and that Sam has needs and wants just like every other person. Never mind the fact that this is ridiculously unhealthy. Instead they think that Dean's needs are more important so Sam should suffer without. They want Sam to completely deny himself and his wants and his dreams and stay with Dean because that is what Dean secretly wanted. To Sam to stay with him and want nothing outside of hunting.

Since Sam did not do that, since Sam did leave and since Sam did carve out a life for himself separate from Dean these same fans who love Dean hate Sam for it. That's the only thing that makes sense at this point. Basically you are angry at Sam because he is not Dean. It's not that he is selfish (in the typical sense of the word) it's that he didn't choose what Dean and John wanted over what he wanted which was independence and a life of his own. I will never understand why that is enough to hate him for.

Comments

[stompy-bigfoot.livejournal.com]

maybe because he's so easy to hate. im a sammy girl. anyway, i think with dean's character, it's written out in a way that yes, he has moments where you want to bash his head into the wall, but because of his sacrifices for the family, and his angst already in the plot; you can't do anything but give him more love because that's what he desperately needs and craves and not get enough of. whereas sam, he gets alot of love already from dean. he broods, he got into college, he sacrifices but he's the colder brother (non-intentionally selfish - and more occasions less emotional/deep - perfect role for boy king), the younger one, the kid; he got everything handed to him by dean and sure he broods, he's more 'emo' on the surface, but he's not as deep as dean. not a bad thing, just facts. i think thats why we tend to pick on him more. u get my gist?

[elsewhere91.livejournal.com]

Hey i just stumbled across your LJ whilst reading a fanfic i didn't agree with and i liked your response. Anyway i am a Samgirl and proud of it. I love Dean as well and i love the dysfunctional co-dependent relationship the boys have(had?). I just don't see why some fans have to tear one brother down to raise another. I agree with a lot of what you and some of the other comments have said about Sam's emotional development, it has stopped and everything that should be emotionally affecting to him (Dad dying, Madison, being possessed, him dying,watching Dean die, the deal, what happened after he scratched the wall in 6x13) and its just glossed over with 'i'm fine' it's just the writers should have Sam talk more. The one major issue i have with the writers is that they beat the dead horse until its mush, they realise that people like Dean crying and emoting, they shove it in our faces, they realise that everyone (vocal fans) likes Cas/Dean so they make slash jokes and make Dean give the whole stupid,out of nowhere fake family speech. The show needs to learn Balance, they have two leads not one,just deal with Dean's issues and make him have that spark back, give sam more emotional moments again, make them good hunters again, make them enjoy the job, give them brotherly moments again like pranking, or joking, (that's why i love frontierland just that whole conversation at the beginning with Sam Colts journal was so cute, and sam wearing the shirt dean brought and agreeing to go along with Dean's plan and Dean being giddy and fun again)

Anyway i agree both boys have faults and the show isn't perfect and i love canon dean, in show i love both Dean and Sam, but when i read comments it just really stops me from enjoying the show and it stops me from enjoying Dean. So even though i've been in fandom for a year, i'm going to stop (try lol) reading most people's comments and just read spoilers, read good fanfiction (preferably hurt sam, and awesome big bro Dean) and just read people's journals who i like. Its better for my blood pressure that way because this argument dean vs sam is never going to stop, so i'm just sick of it.

Again i agree with the issue of Sam hate as i don't get why they hate Sam so much, i've tried to understand it but i can't, like i try to understand why everyone loves Cas. So i'm not going to, i just wanna enjoy the show and enjoy fandom. I still have some hope with Sam especially after the hell wall has fallen that we'll finally get some talking between the boys and emotional development from Sam.

See i have more problems with the fact that the fandom and the show seems to gloss over and whitewash over castiels actions - just don't get me started on Castiel.


Sorry this is so long but it seems to be hard to be in this fandom when you're favourite is hated (which makes me love him more as he's the underdog and i love sam anyway) and everyone loves the character you hate(Castiel- Deans replacement brother- which makes me hate him more lol)

Again sorry for the length and thank you so much for writing what i mostly feel. Thanks.

[jayd-schuy.livejournal.com]

I don't know, I've long since learned and accepted that in any fandom the two sides are gonna be uneven. In Harry Potter the Marauder fans always gave Snape the benefit of the doubt, but Snape fans made the Mauraders out to be inherently evil.

Same goes for Supernatural fans. Sam fans always accept that Dean makes just as many mistakes as Sam ever did. But Dean fans never accepted that he was human, seeing him as this paragon of perfection...and Sam is inherently evil because he left to go to college. And in some ways, the script writers supproted that outlook, posting Sam as the "dark" brother.

As far as the beginning of the series, I ALWAYS saw more darkness in Dean than in Sam. And that has never changed for me. In fact, Dean has pissed me off more so than Sam ever did, and in the long run, I've found him to be more selfish as well.

Still, I like both brothers evenly. I may identify with Dean a bit better, and my friend idetifies with Sam a bit better, but both are evenly human, and evenly important.

I find this double standard in fandom annoyingly consistant. Though one also has to admit, that the majority of fans who go online only do it to compain, with a select few vastly more mature fans speaking up online...Its true that good news is spread by word of mouth and bad news goes "viral".

Just our luck, that most of the fana who want to complain appear to be your stereotypical "Dean fans".

Finding your blog

[rraz45.livejournal.com]

Hi I found your blog and I have some major agreements. I am personally a Dean girl. But I agree with you. If you are a true fan of Supernatural, you cannot hate either of the boys. I mean there is no Supernatural without Sam AND Dean. I was on Tumblr today, and I saw some major hate towards Dean from the most recent episode of Supernatural. I just don't get why people are like "okay Dean just die already" (or excuse my language) "fuck you Sam." Both make mistakes, but they grow together into stronger men.

I just really do not get the hate on either of the boys. They are the show after all. Jared and Jensen are phenomenal actors, and they make their characters these major icons fans fall in love with. I am sorry if I am ranting, but I mean really I absolutely agree. Both brothers had their ups and downs where we loved them and at times were so frustrated with them. But their are human, and humanity is imperfect.