Why does fandom hate Sam so much?
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isoughtyouout I honestly just want to know why. There seems to be a lot of Sam hatred in the SPN community and I just don't get it.
Was browing IMDB and this subject ended up coming up the below isn't my post but I found it interesting none the less:
How is Dean and John asking, no telling Sam to stay any less selfish?
I'm exhausted arguing this. It's clear that you care more about Dean's wants and needs rather then about trying to understand the fact that Sam is a human being who also had wants and desires. A part of that was for him to go to school and to have a normal life. That is not selfish. That is normal to want things for yourself and for you to go out and get them. Mary isn't selfish for leaving her family and wanting a life with John. John isn't selfish for leaving his parents and wanting to start a life with Mary. And Sam isn't selfish for wanting his own space and wanting to find his own way. Dean isn't selfish for wanting to stay with Ben and Lisa, so on and so forth.
It's clear that many of Dean's fans wanted Sam to stay with Dean because Dean was lonely. Aparently that means more to them then Sam's growth as an individual and Sam's own need to be normal. I understand it because for most Dean fans the world starts and ends with him and they want him to be happy and anything that clashes with that is instantly antagonized and seen as a threat. They want Sam to be Dean's yes man, and they want Sam to do everything for Dean and live for Dean because to them that is what Sam would do if he truly loved Dean. Never mind the fact that this would make Sam unhappy and that Sam has needs and wants just like every other person. Never mind the fact that this is ridiculously unhealthy. Instead they think that Dean's needs are more important so Sam should suffer without. They want Sam to completely deny himself and his wants and his dreams and stay with Dean because that is what Dean secretly wanted. To Sam to stay with him and want nothing outside of hunting.
Since Sam did not do that, since Sam did leave and since Sam did carve out a life for himself separate from Dean these same fans who love Dean hate Sam for it. That's the only thing that makes sense at this point. Basically you are angry at Sam because he is not Dean. It's not that he is selfish (in the typical sense of the word) it's that he didn't choose what Dean and John wanted over what he wanted which was independence and a life of his own. I will never understand why that is enough to hate him for.
Was browing IMDB and this subject ended up coming up the below isn't my post but I found it interesting none the less:
How is Dean and John asking, no telling Sam to stay any less selfish?
I'm exhausted arguing this. It's clear that you care more about Dean's wants and needs rather then about trying to understand the fact that Sam is a human being who also had wants and desires. A part of that was for him to go to school and to have a normal life. That is not selfish. That is normal to want things for yourself and for you to go out and get them. Mary isn't selfish for leaving her family and wanting a life with John. John isn't selfish for leaving his parents and wanting to start a life with Mary. And Sam isn't selfish for wanting his own space and wanting to find his own way. Dean isn't selfish for wanting to stay with Ben and Lisa, so on and so forth.
It's clear that many of Dean's fans wanted Sam to stay with Dean because Dean was lonely. Aparently that means more to them then Sam's growth as an individual and Sam's own need to be normal. I understand it because for most Dean fans the world starts and ends with him and they want him to be happy and anything that clashes with that is instantly antagonized and seen as a threat. They want Sam to be Dean's yes man, and they want Sam to do everything for Dean and live for Dean because to them that is what Sam would do if he truly loved Dean. Never mind the fact that this would make Sam unhappy and that Sam has needs and wants just like every other person. Never mind the fact that this is ridiculously unhealthy. Instead they think that Dean's needs are more important so Sam should suffer without. They want Sam to completely deny himself and his wants and his dreams and stay with Dean because that is what Dean secretly wanted. To Sam to stay with him and want nothing outside of hunting.
Since Sam did not do that, since Sam did leave and since Sam did carve out a life for himself separate from Dean these same fans who love Dean hate Sam for it. That's the only thing that makes sense at this point. Basically you are angry at Sam because he is not Dean. It's not that he is selfish (in the typical sense of the word) it's that he didn't choose what Dean and John wanted over what he wanted which was independence and a life of his own. I will never understand why that is enough to hate him for.
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Date: 2011-08-21 08:02 pm (UTC)Oh i totally agree about Castiel being liked because i think the majority of Castiel lovers already had problems with sam and along comes this character who saved Dean from hell, who has a profound(gag) bond with Dean. I'm not interested in a relationship that is blatant fanservice for the vocal fans and is built on lies.
Again i know Sam hate is there but i just ignore it now, i don't agree with it, it just upsets me because most of it is imho, just stupid. The one thing however that really pisses me off is when people start insulting the actors and it seems especially prominent for Jared. I know when people insult Sam it hurts but i can ignore and dismiss it because he's a fictional character but when people start insulting a real life person because he didn't mention Jensen in every single sentence is just beyond pathetic and it makes my blood boil. I just want to scream to them how dare they insult someone to me comes of as a caring, considerate, funny man who loves his fans, just because he plays a character you don't like.
Oh yes i 100% agree with most of the fandom being hypocrites, if Dean does something it's ok, but if Sam does the exact same thing it's insulted, it's wrong etc. *sigh* But i'm not gonna let them bring me down anymore, i'm not going to let them wreck my favourite show for me lol.
Anyway do you mind if i friend you, although i'm not a fan of slash, i'm ok with people who are. I just like that you have the same opinions of Sam and fandom as me and that you like my favourite character.
Thanks.
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Date: 2011-08-21 09:26 pm (UTC)I know what you mean about people who attack Jared just because he plays Sam. I find that to be ridiculous and I just hate that he is disrespected in cons as well especially because he seems to put so much effort into trying to make it the best experience for those who go out and support the show. He really puts in effort there and puts himself out there and tries to make the fans feel apart of the show. He really gives a lot and I don't think it really gets recognized which is incredibly sad. He goes to pretty much all the cons he can go to and you can imagine how much time that probably takes him with the show filming, travel, the convention itself and everything else. Yet he still gets treated poorly by some of the fans in this fandom. He really doesn't get enough credit in my opinion. But people think that just because they paid for tickets they can treat the stars anyway they want.
It's quite sad.