Why does fandom hate Sam so much?
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isoughtyouout I honestly just want to know why. There seems to be a lot of Sam hatred in the SPN community and I just don't get it.
Was browing IMDB and this subject ended up coming up the below isn't my post but I found it interesting none the less:
How is Dean and John asking, no telling Sam to stay any less selfish?
I'm exhausted arguing this. It's clear that you care more about Dean's wants and needs rather then about trying to understand the fact that Sam is a human being who also had wants and desires. A part of that was for him to go to school and to have a normal life. That is not selfish. That is normal to want things for yourself and for you to go out and get them. Mary isn't selfish for leaving her family and wanting a life with John. John isn't selfish for leaving his parents and wanting to start a life with Mary. And Sam isn't selfish for wanting his own space and wanting to find his own way. Dean isn't selfish for wanting to stay with Ben and Lisa, so on and so forth.
It's clear that many of Dean's fans wanted Sam to stay with Dean because Dean was lonely. Aparently that means more to them then Sam's growth as an individual and Sam's own need to be normal. I understand it because for most Dean fans the world starts and ends with him and they want him to be happy and anything that clashes with that is instantly antagonized and seen as a threat. They want Sam to be Dean's yes man, and they want Sam to do everything for Dean and live for Dean because to them that is what Sam would do if he truly loved Dean. Never mind the fact that this would make Sam unhappy and that Sam has needs and wants just like every other person. Never mind the fact that this is ridiculously unhealthy. Instead they think that Dean's needs are more important so Sam should suffer without. They want Sam to completely deny himself and his wants and his dreams and stay with Dean because that is what Dean secretly wanted. To Sam to stay with him and want nothing outside of hunting.
Since Sam did not do that, since Sam did leave and since Sam did carve out a life for himself separate from Dean these same fans who love Dean hate Sam for it. That's the only thing that makes sense at this point. Basically you are angry at Sam because he is not Dean. It's not that he is selfish (in the typical sense of the word) it's that he didn't choose what Dean and John wanted over what he wanted which was independence and a life of his own. I will never understand why that is enough to hate him for.
Was browing IMDB and this subject ended up coming up the below isn't my post but I found it interesting none the less:
How is Dean and John asking, no telling Sam to stay any less selfish?
I'm exhausted arguing this. It's clear that you care more about Dean's wants and needs rather then about trying to understand the fact that Sam is a human being who also had wants and desires. A part of that was for him to go to school and to have a normal life. That is not selfish. That is normal to want things for yourself and for you to go out and get them. Mary isn't selfish for leaving her family and wanting a life with John. John isn't selfish for leaving his parents and wanting to start a life with Mary. And Sam isn't selfish for wanting his own space and wanting to find his own way. Dean isn't selfish for wanting to stay with Ben and Lisa, so on and so forth.
It's clear that many of Dean's fans wanted Sam to stay with Dean because Dean was lonely. Aparently that means more to them then Sam's growth as an individual and Sam's own need to be normal. I understand it because for most Dean fans the world starts and ends with him and they want him to be happy and anything that clashes with that is instantly antagonized and seen as a threat. They want Sam to be Dean's yes man, and they want Sam to do everything for Dean and live for Dean because to them that is what Sam would do if he truly loved Dean. Never mind the fact that this would make Sam unhappy and that Sam has needs and wants just like every other person. Never mind the fact that this is ridiculously unhealthy. Instead they think that Dean's needs are more important so Sam should suffer without. They want Sam to completely deny himself and his wants and his dreams and stay with Dean because that is what Dean secretly wanted. To Sam to stay with him and want nothing outside of hunting.
Since Sam did not do that, since Sam did leave and since Sam did carve out a life for himself separate from Dean these same fans who love Dean hate Sam for it. That's the only thing that makes sense at this point. Basically you are angry at Sam because he is not Dean. It's not that he is selfish (in the typical sense of the word) it's that he didn't choose what Dean and John wanted over what he wanted which was independence and a life of his own. I will never understand why that is enough to hate him for.
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Date: 2012-01-18 03:18 am (UTC)Same goes for Supernatural fans. Sam fans always accept that Dean makes just as many mistakes as Sam ever did. But Dean fans never accepted that he was human, seeing him as this paragon of perfection...and Sam is inherently evil because he left to go to college. And in some ways, the script writers supproted that outlook, posting Sam as the "dark" brother.
As far as the beginning of the series, I ALWAYS saw more darkness in Dean than in Sam. And that has never changed for me. In fact, Dean has pissed me off more so than Sam ever did, and in the long run, I've found him to be more selfish as well.
Still, I like both brothers evenly. I may identify with Dean a bit better, and my friend idetifies with Sam a bit better, but both are evenly human, and evenly important.
I find this double standard in fandom annoyingly consistant. Though one also has to admit, that the majority of fans who go online only do it to compain, with a select few vastly more mature fans speaking up online...Its true that good news is spread by word of mouth and bad news goes "viral".
Just our luck, that most of the fana who want to complain appear to be your stereotypical "Dean fans".
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Date: 2012-01-18 08:23 pm (UTC)