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 I honestly just want to know why. There seems to be a lot of Sam hatred in the SPN community and I just don't get it. 

Was browing IMDB and this subject ended up coming up the below isn't my post but I found it interesting none the less: 


How is Dean and John asking, no telling Sam to stay any less selfish?

I'm exhausted arguing this. It's clear that you care more about Dean's wants and needs rather then about trying to understand the fact that Sam is a human being who also had wants and desires. A part of that was for him to go to school and to have a normal life. That is not selfish. That is normal to want things for yourself and for you to go out and get them. Mary isn't selfish for leaving her family and wanting a life with John. John isn't selfish for leaving his parents and wanting to start a life with Mary. And Sam isn't selfish for wanting his own space and wanting to find his own way. Dean isn't selfish for wanting to stay with Ben and Lisa, so on and so forth.

It's clear that many of Dean's fans wanted Sam to stay with Dean because Dean was lonely. Aparently that means more to them then Sam's growth as an individual and Sam's own need to be normal. I understand it because for most Dean fans the world starts and ends with him and they want him to be happy and anything that clashes with that is instantly antagonized and seen as a threat. They want Sam to be Dean's yes man, and they want Sam to do everything for Dean and live for Dean because to them that is what Sam would do if he truly loved Dean. Never mind the fact that this would make Sam unhappy and that Sam has needs and wants just like every other person. Never mind the fact that this is ridiculously unhealthy. Instead they think that Dean's needs are more important so Sam should suffer without. They want Sam to completely deny himself and his wants and his dreams and stay with Dean because that is what Dean secretly wanted. To Sam to stay with him and want nothing outside of hunting.

Since Sam did not do that, since Sam did leave and since Sam did carve out a life for himself separate from Dean these same fans who love Dean hate Sam for it. That's the only thing that makes sense at this point. Basically you are angry at Sam because he is not Dean. It's not that he is selfish (in the typical sense of the word) it's that he didn't choose what Dean and John wanted over what he wanted which was independence and a life of his own. I will never understand why that is enough to hate him for.

Date: 2011-07-26 05:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] isoughtyouout.livejournal.com
Believe me I know how you feel. I also found the whole Cas and family portion of the SPN storyline to be ridiculous. Castiel doesn't even care about Sam, he only cares about Dean. Yet Sam is supposed to risk his life and die for Castiel but Cas in turn neglects him and treats him so horribly. Castiel and Sam don't even have a relationship, Castiel never comes to Sam when he calls for him, Cas wanted to leave Sam's soul in hell and he didn't give a damn if he hurt him by bringing his wall down. So how much does Castiel really care for Sam? I would say minimally at best. Cas is all about Dean.

When did Cas become family? When did this happen? Just because Castiel saved them a bunch of times, when did their friendship become family. I just don't buy it. Maybe it's because I don't see Castiel as a human being or maybe it's just because I just don't see him as a fully fleshed out character but I find it all to be a little too much in terms of what is believable.

I agree, I think the entire show is quite Dean-centric and I think the show can only get better by having Cas leave.

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