Why does fandom hate Sam so much?
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isoughtyouout I honestly just want to know why. There seems to be a lot of Sam hatred in the SPN community and I just don't get it.
Was browing IMDB and this subject ended up coming up the below isn't my post but I found it interesting none the less:
How is Dean and John asking, no telling Sam to stay any less selfish?
I'm exhausted arguing this. It's clear that you care more about Dean's wants and needs rather then about trying to understand the fact that Sam is a human being who also had wants and desires. A part of that was for him to go to school and to have a normal life. That is not selfish. That is normal to want things for yourself and for you to go out and get them. Mary isn't selfish for leaving her family and wanting a life with John. John isn't selfish for leaving his parents and wanting to start a life with Mary. And Sam isn't selfish for wanting his own space and wanting to find his own way. Dean isn't selfish for wanting to stay with Ben and Lisa, so on and so forth.
It's clear that many of Dean's fans wanted Sam to stay with Dean because Dean was lonely. Aparently that means more to them then Sam's growth as an individual and Sam's own need to be normal. I understand it because for most Dean fans the world starts and ends with him and they want him to be happy and anything that clashes with that is instantly antagonized and seen as a threat. They want Sam to be Dean's yes man, and they want Sam to do everything for Dean and live for Dean because to them that is what Sam would do if he truly loved Dean. Never mind the fact that this would make Sam unhappy and that Sam has needs and wants just like every other person. Never mind the fact that this is ridiculously unhealthy. Instead they think that Dean's needs are more important so Sam should suffer without. They want Sam to completely deny himself and his wants and his dreams and stay with Dean because that is what Dean secretly wanted. To Sam to stay with him and want nothing outside of hunting.
Since Sam did not do that, since Sam did leave and since Sam did carve out a life for himself separate from Dean these same fans who love Dean hate Sam for it. That's the only thing that makes sense at this point. Basically you are angry at Sam because he is not Dean. It's not that he is selfish (in the typical sense of the word) it's that he didn't choose what Dean and John wanted over what he wanted which was independence and a life of his own. I will never understand why that is enough to hate him for.
Was browing IMDB and this subject ended up coming up the below isn't my post but I found it interesting none the less:
How is Dean and John asking, no telling Sam to stay any less selfish?
I'm exhausted arguing this. It's clear that you care more about Dean's wants and needs rather then about trying to understand the fact that Sam is a human being who also had wants and desires. A part of that was for him to go to school and to have a normal life. That is not selfish. That is normal to want things for yourself and for you to go out and get them. Mary isn't selfish for leaving her family and wanting a life with John. John isn't selfish for leaving his parents and wanting to start a life with Mary. And Sam isn't selfish for wanting his own space and wanting to find his own way. Dean isn't selfish for wanting to stay with Ben and Lisa, so on and so forth.
It's clear that many of Dean's fans wanted Sam to stay with Dean because Dean was lonely. Aparently that means more to them then Sam's growth as an individual and Sam's own need to be normal. I understand it because for most Dean fans the world starts and ends with him and they want him to be happy and anything that clashes with that is instantly antagonized and seen as a threat. They want Sam to be Dean's yes man, and they want Sam to do everything for Dean and live for Dean because to them that is what Sam would do if he truly loved Dean. Never mind the fact that this would make Sam unhappy and that Sam has needs and wants just like every other person. Never mind the fact that this is ridiculously unhealthy. Instead they think that Dean's needs are more important so Sam should suffer without. They want Sam to completely deny himself and his wants and his dreams and stay with Dean because that is what Dean secretly wanted. To Sam to stay with him and want nothing outside of hunting.
Since Sam did not do that, since Sam did leave and since Sam did carve out a life for himself separate from Dean these same fans who love Dean hate Sam for it. That's the only thing that makes sense at this point. Basically you are angry at Sam because he is not Dean. It's not that he is selfish (in the typical sense of the word) it's that he didn't choose what Dean and John wanted over what he wanted which was independence and a life of his own. I will never understand why that is enough to hate him for.
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Date: 2011-07-10 03:47 am (UTC)i think with any brother relationship and any loving relationship, there's no equal love. there's no two same brothers who share same traits, but who are from the same family and share DNA. similar yet so different.
also, i think ppl tend to favor dean is because some traits of him fit into the stereotypical type of angsty male who has man pain and who's vulnerable but seems strong. SPN did really well with that, but sam they did a better job of a sad man. if you get my gist...
and ur right, he seems more independent so ppl tend to turn away from that. it's even like that in real life.
off the topic, i'm really hoping sera will got more into the sam storyline. eric was more into dean i think.
ps. i'm trying to spread sam love (even alot of my spn buddies are DEAN FTW! D: )
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Date: 2011-07-10 04:01 am (UTC)I agree with this and in most conversations it usually ends up being about the fact that Sam doesn't love Dean in the same way Dean loves him and it in some way winds up being about control, obedience, and guilt instead of about true love for the individual. Sam and Dean are both messed up and they both have a hard time showing each other that they love each other as men and it's generally very messy. But the truth is both Dean and Sam fall short on what the other wants them to be and in that measure they both 'fail' so to speak, yet it seems that Sam is the only one charged. Which is quite odd to me because it's just another argument of hypocrisy.
i'm really hoping sera will got more into the sam storyline. eric was more into dean i think.
I don't think it even matters at this point the status quo has already been established and Dean in the inside character we see things through. I just hope that the years of syndication far off will be kinder to Sam. Lord knows he needs all the help he can get.
i'm trying to spread sam love (even alot of my spn buddies are DEAN FTW!
I make it a point not to favor one over the other. But Sam often times gets my sympathy and tugs on my protective side just because there is such strong animosity towards him. But really it's their relationship that I favor. There wouldn't be a Sam and Dean without either of them. I just wish both could love them if not equally then just love them both as much as they can. But yes please continue the Sam love. I would love to help.
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Date: 2011-07-10 04:16 am (UTC)the sera thing, i think you made my point my understandable than i did. that was what i was trying to say. lol!
and the favouring, i like you said, no sam, no dean. yes sam, yes dean etc...
like you, it is the relationship that i look into . their love is not the normal american fam, its messy, painful and deep. well, i think it runs deeper than "normal" fams. and they do love each other to their max capacity.
i just felt that everyone hails dean and misses sam who's equally important and THERE on the show!
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Date: 2011-07-10 04:20 am (UTC)Agreed completely on Sam being the step-child of supernatural. I kept thinking how it must suck for Jared. He works hard for this show as well and yet seems so often overlooked.
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Date: 2011-07-10 04:23 am (UTC)i know right. he does work super hard for it and he gets looked at for being jared, but for being sam; well, looked at all for the wrong reasons. stop picking on him!