I'm glad i found you too - yay. It's so good to see someone with similar and the same view points as you in the fandom. Oh the fan fic was the therapy one -Ouroboros by Gedry- where both Sam and Dean go to therapy. I thought the authors attempts were fairly fair in dealing with the Winchester's problems but with having said Sam was the most selfish person ever ( which i don't agree with at all sure sam has selfish tendencies but so does Dean - the whole deal was selfish-) and me having some problems with the characterisations such as Sam hitting Dean twice in the face i just didn't agree with it.(i hope it's ok that i wrote the title and the name of the fanfic as i'm fairly new to LJ and don't wanna seem like a bitch i did leave a comment but i hate being rude to people lol)
Oh yeah i totally agree with the potential to see inside Sam *sigh* but i have some hope with season 7 with the hell wall collapsing and all. I think some Dean fans are also fed up that Dean has become the more emo brother and less proactive and a badass hunter like he used to be. It's called balance writers.
Oh yeah sometimes the fandom can be so horrible that it sucks the fun right out of the show. I mean i remember reading some good stuff about Sam this season and the first thought that came into my head was 'the extreme Dean girls are going to hate this and tear this apart.' So i can't even enjoy reading some stuff about my favourite character now. But it's my own fault i think, i've let them influence me and i've let them wreck the show for me so i'm trying to stop it, i'm trying to just read stuff i like, read spoilers and just ignore comments.
Oh television without pity is a Sam girl hell, i've been on there once, looked at the comments, raged silently and just went off. I've never been back there since and i'm never going back. Do you still post there? There's better places to go as sometimes i read comments on supernatural.tv and the cw forum has got a mixture of all fans so it might not be as negative there. I lurk there at the moment as i just can't be bothered to get into the whole Sam vs Dean or Sam vs castiel debates.
Oh i love Sam and like i said i love canon Dean but i don't like Dean in fandom, i don't like Castiel, in both show and fandom. I agree that some extreme posters who put their favourite characters on pedestals and don't see any fault in them at all are the worst and just make me hate fandom.
I love Sam i do, i know he has his faults which make him more complex, beautiful, realistic and human and just awesome. I love that about him. It's make him to me more relatable that he makes mistakes, that he's not perfect, but he gets back up again and he tries and takes responsibility for stuff that he's done unlike Castiel who blames everybody else but himself. So i'd rather have Sam standing by me then be put on a pedestal. I still don't understand and will never understand why, it seems anyway, so much fans hate Sam. I never will understand it and to me hating one of the two brothers, one of the two leads just makes me wonder why you're watching a show that is essentially about Dean and Sam and their relationship. It makes no sense to me. Sure Sam's my favourite but that doesn't mean i hate Dean or that i have to put Dean down to raise sam up. Ugh.
I think people hate Sam because he sometimes hurts Dean. Like sometimes i will get pissed at Dean when he hits Sam such as in 4x04 and hurt Sam by saying horrible things to him, but that doesn't mean i hate Dean. It's natural and realistic, that's what siblings do. That's what people do. I get why people get defensive of their characters i do, i will defend Sam against anybody, but that doesn't mean that just because i love Sam has to mean i have to hate Dean. Why is it always one or the other with these people?
Having Sam and Dean be the way they are is essential, they compliment each other with their different views and personalities. And i'm sorry but Dean wouldn't be as funny and cute with his one liners and eating habits and childish glee over stuff if sam was exactly the same, like Sam wouldn't seem as empathic if Dean was the same in cases instead of being rude and blunt to people during their cases.
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Oh yeah i totally agree with the potential to see inside Sam *sigh* but i have some hope with season 7 with the hell wall collapsing and all. I think some Dean fans are also fed up that Dean has become the more emo brother and less proactive and a badass hunter like he used to be. It's called balance writers.
Oh yeah sometimes the fandom can be so horrible that it sucks the fun right out of the show. I mean i remember reading some good stuff about Sam this season and the first thought that came into my head was 'the extreme Dean girls are going to hate this and tear this apart.' So i can't even enjoy reading some stuff about my favourite character now. But it's my own fault i think, i've let them influence me and i've let them wreck the show for me so i'm trying to stop it, i'm trying to just read stuff i like, read spoilers and just ignore comments.
Oh television without pity is a Sam girl hell, i've been on there once, looked at the comments, raged silently and just went off. I've never been back there since and i'm never going back. Do you still post there? There's better places to go as sometimes i read comments on supernatural.tv and the cw forum has got a mixture of all fans so it might not be as negative there. I lurk there at the moment as i just can't be bothered to get into the whole Sam vs Dean or Sam vs castiel debates.
Oh i love Sam and like i said i love canon Dean but i don't like Dean in fandom, i don't like Castiel, in both show and fandom. I agree that some extreme posters who put their favourite characters on pedestals and don't see any fault in them at all are the worst and just make me hate fandom.
I love Sam i do, i know he has his faults which make him more complex, beautiful, realistic and human and just awesome. I love that about him. It's make him to me more relatable that he makes mistakes, that he's not perfect, but he gets back up again and he tries and takes responsibility for stuff that he's done unlike Castiel who blames everybody else but himself. So i'd rather have Sam standing by me then be put on a pedestal. I still don't understand and will never understand why, it seems anyway, so much fans hate Sam. I never will understand it and to me hating one of the two brothers, one of the two leads just makes me wonder why you're watching a show that is essentially about Dean and Sam and their relationship. It makes no sense to me. Sure Sam's my favourite but that doesn't mean i hate Dean or that i have to put Dean down to raise sam up. Ugh.
I think people hate Sam because he sometimes hurts Dean. Like sometimes i will get pissed at Dean when he hits Sam such as in 4x04 and hurt Sam by saying horrible things to him, but that doesn't mean i hate Dean. It's natural and realistic, that's what siblings do. That's what people do. I get why people get defensive of their characters i do, i will defend Sam against anybody, but that doesn't mean that just because i love Sam has to mean i have to hate Dean. Why is it always one or the other with these people?
Having Sam and Dean be the way they are is essential, they compliment each other with their different views and personalities. And i'm sorry but Dean wouldn't be as funny and cute with his one liners and eating habits and childish glee over stuff if sam was exactly the same, like Sam wouldn't seem as empathic if Dean was the same in cases instead of being rude and blunt to people during their cases.
Wow this is long. Sorry.