but it’s generally possible for a smaller guy to manhandle a bigger man.
I know that, I think it's easier to see that when Sam is younger though or in season 1 where Jared is generally quite lanky and didn't have nearly as much muscle. From s2 onward though he packed on muscle like a hulk and Jensen always stayed reasonably slim and so the physical description of him being about to subdue this 6' and a half foot 230lb man is marginally less believable. But I don't doubt that it could happen under different circumstances.
Jensen was being dominated and it didn’t sit well with me.
Interesting, for me it doesn't really matter if the bottom is pushy or in control per say. I often at times find that to be hot actually. If the bottom is really vocal, into it and is giving the top a run for their money so to speak. I think the hang up that gets me the most is the bottoming and the general personality of the character meshing with their sexual role. I think that's why I have a hard time thinking of Jared/Sam as this bottom! slut who just wants it all the time. I can see them doing it once in a while to shake things up but I can't think of that being the norm in their relationship for some reason.
I think it’s mostly a front because he does need Dean and he still is Dean’s little brother
I certainly do think that Sam does need Dean. However I also think he is incredibly proud. It seems to me that it rankles him being the little brother to the point where he fights Dean tooth and nail for equality. For that reason alone I have a hard time seeing him consistently giving up more 'power' to Dean in sex, which is probably the one place where Sam feels he is strong and dominant in.
Too much in Sam's life has been out of his control to the point where he tries to do whatever he can to be in control (leaving John, going to college, using his powers, etc.) I guess I can't see him giving up the little control he has consistently. Especially if Dean is more compliant and wouldn't push for it. Yeah I can certainly see Sam giving it up to Dean on rare occasions to show Dean that he loves him and trusts him explicitly. But I also think being in control is something Sam needs in his life and sex is one of the few outlets he has for that. Which makes me think that he wouldn't give it up easily or frequently.
I hate Jensen being described as someone who always needs Jared
I understand this. But I have to say I have never really read a fiction where Jensen and Jared weren't emotionally stable so to speak. Unless we are talking about AU where one of them has mental issues. I remember reading college'verse by certainentropy and while Jared and Jensen cetainly did pine and get their emo on they were still male characters who loved and missed their other half. However I certainly understand your dislike for waif!Jared/Jensen. I remember reading a cop/journalist fic about a serial killer and was quite turned off by a Jared who seemed to me to be very feminized in terms of not being able to stomach the killings and needed Jensen by his side at all times to deal with every clue that the killer sent to the newspaper.
and I think it’s the only Sam who would successfully top Dean I stay clear of all fics of this kind.
Interesting, I don't think s4 Sam is the only one who could top Dean. I actually think s2 and s3 Sam could top Dean as well. It's not that Sam is evil that gives him the top distinction to me so much as his angst, anger and emotional baggage that would lead him to just 'snap' so to speak to use your words. Sam's anger unlike Dean's is usually placed outwards especially in seasons 1-4 (Azazel, Lilith) and season 6 (Samuel, Cas), while Dean's anger usually is placed inward on himself (1-2 and 4-6 seem to be an extension of I failed) and he often blames himself, and I guess that is another aspect of their relationship. I can more likely see Sam projecting his need for control outward in sex as a way of pushing his anger outside of him. While with Dean I could see him trying to heal all of his wounds and 'failures' by having Sam truly value him which I think leads more towards Dean bottoming as Sam would better express his love that way. Sam likes having sex on his terms.
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Date: 2011-07-07 06:48 pm (UTC)I know that, I think it's easier to see that when Sam is younger though or in season 1 where Jared is generally quite lanky and didn't have nearly as much muscle. From s2 onward though he packed on muscle like a hulk and Jensen always stayed reasonably slim and so the physical description of him being about to subdue this 6' and a half foot 230lb man is marginally less believable. But I don't doubt that it could happen under different circumstances.
Jensen was being dominated and it didn’t sit well with me.
Interesting, for me it doesn't really matter if the bottom is pushy or in control per say. I often at times find that to be hot actually. If the bottom is really vocal, into it and is giving the top a run for their money so to speak. I think the hang up that gets me the most is the bottoming and the general personality of the character meshing with their sexual role. I think that's why I have a hard time thinking of Jared/Sam as this bottom! slut who just wants it all the time. I can see them doing it once in a while to shake things up but I can't think of that being the norm in their relationship for some reason.
I think it’s mostly a front because he does need Dean and he still is Dean’s little brother
I certainly do think that Sam does need Dean. However I also think he is incredibly proud. It seems to me that it rankles him being the little brother to the point where he fights Dean tooth and nail for equality. For that reason alone I have a hard time seeing him consistently giving up more 'power' to Dean in sex, which is probably the one place where Sam feels he is strong and dominant in.
Too much in Sam's life has been out of his control to the point where he tries to do whatever he can to be in control (leaving John, going to college, using his powers, etc.) I guess I can't see him giving up the little control he has consistently. Especially if Dean is more compliant and wouldn't push for it. Yeah I can certainly see Sam giving it up to Dean on rare occasions to show Dean that he loves him and trusts him explicitly. But I also think being in control is something Sam needs in his life and sex is one of the few outlets he has for that. Which makes me think that he wouldn't give it up easily or frequently.
I hate Jensen being described as someone who always needs Jared
I understand this. But I have to say I have never really read a fiction where Jensen and Jared weren't emotionally stable so to speak. Unless we are talking about AU where one of them has mental issues. I remember reading college'verse by
and I think it’s the only Sam who would successfully top Dean I stay clear of all fics of this kind.
Interesting, I don't think s4 Sam is the only one who could top Dean. I actually think s2 and s3 Sam could top Dean as well. It's not that Sam is evil that gives him the top distinction to me so much as his angst, anger and emotional baggage that would lead him to just 'snap' so to speak to use your words. Sam's anger unlike Dean's is usually placed outwards especially in seasons 1-4 (Azazel, Lilith) and season 6 (Samuel, Cas), while Dean's anger usually is placed inward on himself (1-2 and 4-6 seem to be an extension of I failed) and he often blames himself, and I guess that is another aspect of their relationship. I can more likely see Sam projecting his need for control outward in sex as a way of pushing his anger outside of him. While with Dean I could see him trying to heal all of his wounds and 'failures' by having Sam truly value him which I think leads more towards Dean bottoming as Sam would better express his love that way. Sam likes having sex on his terms.